Daily affirmations of a word mercenary
I find myself revisiting menstruation as a writing topic more often than I intend. Sometimes these are angry articles (remember my diatribe about Sarafem a couple years ago?), other times they’re more humorous (remember that 1997 classic, “Instead,” about a then-new menstrual product?). This one I’m about to write is of the “angry” category. I am currently pissed off about Seasonale™.
Summary of Seasonale™: new brand of birth control pills that results in women only having four periods a year…thus, Seasonale™. See? They even tried to make it sound nice and organic, as if being artificially pumped full of hormones without pause for 90 days at a time were as natural as dancing through a field of poppies on a sunny day. Ah…Seasonale™! I feel cleaner and less inconvenienced “down there” already!
I will be the first to admit that I’m biased when it comes to women’s health care issues, and especially menstrual issues. My mother was a practicing midwife for years, and is a big proponent of the miracle that is the female reproductive system. I was drawing little pictures of fallopian tubes in third grade. I got a special “coming of age” ceremony when I was 13 (much to my misery and horror).
That said, this article from The Stranger, Seattle’s typically beloved-by-me snarky alternative newsweekly, pissed me off. You should read it now.
I was angry from the byline of the piece (”The FDA just approved a new birth control pill that will allow women to have periods only four times a year–just as nature intended”) all the way through the last sentence (”Not anymore, girls, not unless you want to.”).
The “just as nature intended” line is a dig at those who would argue about the healthiness of blocking menstruation for such long durations. Proponents (read as: pharmaceutical company shills) of Seasonale™ argue that women have more periods now than in the past because we have so few children. The article accurately points out, “Women in 1900 had around 150 periods in a lifetime; women today have closer to 450.” Whether there’s anything particularly wrong with that (how did all those non-childbearing spinsters COPE back in 1900? Did they all DIE TERRIBLY BLOODY MENSTRUAL DEATHS? Was it JUST AWFUL?), and whether having yourself on hormones 332 days out of the year is a “solution” to a dubious “problem” is a much larger issue. [Follow up links providing two perspectives on this issue: frequent menstruation linked to cancer! | Long-term use of the pill linked to breast cancer!]
Especially shady to me were the quotes from the University of Washington’s Dr. Leslie Miller who runs a website called noperiod.com. Here’s one:
Dr. Miller often prescribes continuous-cycle pills for women who experience a lot of herpes outbreaks, yeast infections, and other problems with their vulvas–”just to make the genital area feel better,” she says.
Oh, that’s smart. “Doctor, I have a yeast infection/viral outbreak. I don’t feel good about my genital area.” “Oh! Here patient, TAKE THESE MOOD-ALTERING HORMONES EVERY DAY to treat that occasional pesky fungal infection/incurable viral outbreak.” WHAT?! Wouldn’t it be nice if American doctors actually treated women who don’t feel good about their genitals with, say, a little counseling to address how to make that vulva “feel better”? I’m stupefied. It’s like when my grandfather got a viral infection, and my grandmother complained, “The antibiotics they gave him just aren’t doing anything!” Let’s stop and be amazed. I’ll get back to why Dr. Miller’s thoughts on menstrual suppression can’t be trusted in a minute. First let me finish my critique of the article.
Paragraphs like this made want to hurt myself:
Why do so many women feel like suffering is part of their essential makeup? They can’t really feel responsible for Eve, can they? Dr. Miller reports getting plenty of nasty calls and e-mails from self-described feminists who say basically, “Periods are what makes a woman a woman.” So we should have periods as nature intended–oh, and the childbirth-without-drugs movement has convinced scores of women that suffering is natural. Is suffering and being “natural” a woman thing? No one complains that Bob Dole is promoting an unnatural treatment–Viagra–for “erectile dysfunction.” Instead Dole is lauded for being honest and speaking up about a “natural problem.” You’d never hear anyone say, “Sorry your dick won’t work. Just deal with it. It’s natural.”
First things first: I do say “Sorry your dick won’t work. Just deal with it.” I find Viagra (and its marketing techniques) creepy. Next? No, I don’t like suffering. Do I think the answer to suffering involves pumping myself full of hormones that I purchase from an enormous creepy industry that tries to convince me I’m fucked up to build their bottom line? HELL NO! And don’t even get me started on the angle this writer takes about this supposed “childbirth-without-drugs movement,” as she calls it. The United States’ record-high rates of cesarean section and other over-invasive birthing techniques are an international anomaly compared to other first-world nations.
However, I did like that the article included Susan Rako’s quote from this book: “Manipulating women’s reproductive hormonal chemistry for the purpose of menstrual suppression would be the largest uncontrolled experiment in the history of medical science.” AMEN! Sadly, the author of the article seems to give this opposing viewpoint only a passing glance before dismissing it.
It’s hard for me to be fully articulate in my concerns with Seasonale™. I just get angry and reactionary and want to kick something. (Oh, it must be those damn pesky hormones again! Quick! Someone get me some Sarafem™! I’m angry!) Part of my cynicism is this: if the recommendations for “menstrual-free” living were coming from an international health organization, I might give them some consideration. But the people who stand to profit from Seasonale™ are massive pharmaceutical companies. Think about it: if they can get every woman already on birth control pills to buy seven more pills a month, the income potential is fantastic! Yes! And the allure of only four periods a year would probably woo some new customers too! Yes! Get that Dr. Leslie Miller on the phone — we need to write her a check to talk about how much she supports this idea!
According to this Seattle Post-Intelligencer article about menstruation suppression, “research, underwritten by pill maker Wyeth Laboratories, was conducted by Dr. Leslie Miller.” Seasonale™ is made by Barr Laboratories, which recently acquired Wyeth. Update: Thanks to Susan Rako, who corrected me on this point. Dr. Leslie Miller’s research is funded by Wyeth-Ayerst, who are a major manufacturer of birth control pills. Barr acquired some of Wyeth’s products, but Seasonale™ is not one of them. Wyeth is, however, clearly working on their own menstrual suppression product, as indicated by Dr. Miller’s current research for them. (Notice how the name of that document is “FDA Information Sheet,” indicating that the research is in pursuit of an FDA approval of a Seasonale™-like menstrual suppression product.) Clearly, Dr. Leslie Miller is not an objective medical perspective on the issue, as she is funded by a company that stands to profit from menstrual suppression. Why, I’ve never heard of the pharmaceutical industry doing that before! Groan…
In my effort to articulate some of my thoughts, I had a conversation about the issue with my mother. Here was her response to The Stranger’s article:
Because we modern women have lost the connection to the spiritual aspects of our bleeding time, the arguments for suppressing it seem logical and reasonable. And I don’t know that it would necessarily goof up the body any more than taking the pill in its current regime already does. In any case most modern women are already goofed up and disconnected from their bodies for a variety of cultural reasons and are not using their “Moontime” in a spiritually deepening way. But, as you know, I think the less we mess with our nature rhythms the better, whether we understand their deeper significance or not.Modern medicine and pharmaceutical industries are always trying to convince women that somehow our bodies aren’t quite right and can be improved upon thanks to the wonders they (the industries) come up with. This attitude alone contributes to the disconnection and disassociation most women feel already from their female bodies and cycles. Whether this latest idea of suppressing menstruation makes the situation any worse than it already is doubtful; it’s just more of the same. And, of course, some women may be helped by this somehow. Nothing is absolutely bad or wrong.
More importantly, it seems essential to help women get re-connected to the power and mystery of their woman cycles somehow, so they can begin to find their woman-wisdom and tap into the ancient woman-power that is available to each of us. Taking time once a month to connect with this during the bleeding time seems very valuable for those that choose to explore this. But most women do not make this choice, out of ignorance and lack of guidance. So the medical system steps in and offers to just eliminate the whole mess–I’m sure that’s attractive to many, many women these days, which is a sad statement of the truth of our disconnection.
I had a conversation about the issue with my girlfriends. One brought up a story she’d heard on NPR about Monsanto corn pushing some GM corn on a group of indigenous farmers in South America. I didn’t hear the article, so I can’t quote it directly or vouch for its validity, the gist was this:
Monsanto: We’ve tested this new breed of corn for seven years! It’s tested very well!
Farmer: Yeah, and we’ve been “testing” this natural breed of corn by growing it for 5,000 years. Suck me.
That quote about summarizes how I feel about Seasonale™. I don’t espouse a great love of what my mother calls “moontime” and I simply call “my period.” But I do respect it. Do I like the crippling menstrual cramps I get every month that necessitate my never going anywhere (ANYWHERE!) without 1000 mg of emergency Ibuprofen at my disposal? No. Do I think being on birth control pills 92% of my year is the way to deal with that pain? No. That’s what the Ibuprofen is for.
Hey there. I'm Ariel Meadow Stallings, a native Seattleite who's written my way up and down the Left Coast. Electrolicious is where I post daily randomata, but I also write for a living. My first book, Offbeat Bride, was published last year.
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Glace
September 21st, 2003 at 5:44 pm
Amen. Thank you.
heidi j wright
September 21st, 2003 at 6:54 pm
i do wish you’d rant more often, it’s nice to have a person articulate what the less eloquent, (i.e. myself) have been pondering all along, yet remain unsure where the conflict comes from.
i felt precisely the same way when i read about seasonale.
additionally, in regards to taking the pill at all, it also makes me think about something you said to me once over drinks, “i’m just not comfortable pumping my body full of hormones so that some guy can fuck me without consequence.” thank you for saying it in a way that had never occurred to me, yet had been the underlying motivation for many years.
so, if it’s not too heavy a burden, i will turn to you to help me articulate why these these bog me down in the future.
thank you in advance.
paisley
September 21st, 2003 at 7:01 pm
i think to much to put it all into words on this subject. but i agree with you ..
it is sad , women are made to feel and choose to believe the lies about our bodies, our birthing , and ourselves all together ..
i would be a liar if i didn’t admit i fall into these lies sometimes myself and have to punch and pray my way out into the light again ..
it is sad!! the crap we put in our bodies in the name of “getting well” . and it doesn’t stop there but i will not go on a rant ..
i struggle with an almost contant period , if i can deal with it daily , any woman can hack it once a month…. BTW, if anyone knows a natural way to get “regular” - let me know..
i am in a crucial time right now , i have some sickness to deal with and i need to get to a doctor ASAP but i don’t want to see a regular doctor .. ahh! God help us all..
thanks for write on this..
db
September 21st, 2003 at 10:54 pm
Speaking not necessarily for gys, but as a guy- or at least as me- I still wonder on a regular basis jsut exactly why pharmaceudical birht control is primarily a female anatomically related issue. Is is the simple issue that it’s easy to block one egg than it is to block 3 hundred million sperm, or is it a darker story of a male dominated society relieving itself of responsibility? I know that there’s a male birth-control pill in the works, and I, for one, would be more than willing to take it in conjinction with my signifigant other taking a female birth control pill. In other words, it’s a case of 2 people avoiding a situation- not merely the guy looking to “fuck you without consequence.” If any female truly believes that, than they have no trust in the guy, and I hope to god they’re using more than a pill. Not waxing personally offensive- just playing devil’s advocate for the (thus far) unspoken male view. The article itself was rather demeaning- not just to women, but to any thinking person with a sense of morality and responsibility, but one point struck me- while using it as a gimmick was certainly offensive, is blocking menstration any more unnatural than blocking an egg? IS any drug we take “natural”? Even Ibuprofren? Pain is generally our way of our bodies telling us that someting is amiss at that moment- a warning signal. I personally have no problem with drugs beign used for any purpose, so long as they remain under reasonable control. But that’s what drugs do- act as a catalyst in a chemical reaction to adversely affect our own bodies natural chemical reactions.
If I failed to make a point in all of that, forgive me- I’ve been up for 25 hours
Anna
September 22nd, 2003 at 3:43 am
Very interesting. I’ll forward this to my girlfriends.
As your mother wisely says: “Nothing is absolutely bad or wrong”, but how can one feel comfortable with a doctor who makes such a creepy statement as “Remember it is very important to not miss pills or take your pill late or you could get some spotting and blood on that new bathing suit???” [from noperiod.com]
If Dr Miller thinks getting spots on the new bathing suit is all women may be concerned for (not their physical and spiritual health, nor improving their knowledge of their bodies), then it does not surprise me she is so popular with pharmaceutical companies…
Incidentally, this discussion made me think about the much talked-about issue of dangerous menstrual pads/tampons. Apparently, the material they’re made of receives special bleaching/treatment in order to increase the production of menstrual fluid (resulting in higher sales of pads/tampons). Not to mention the fact that they’re supposed to cause cervix cancer…
sijeka
September 22nd, 2003 at 4:56 am
a-fucking-men for this post, ariel! well said.
suz
September 22nd, 2003 at 6:56 am
Thank you Ariel! It is so sad to see how womens bodies are always portrayed as faulty or inconvenient. Even as we get older we are targeted for menopausal drugs to “ease” the pain. The thing we westerners don’t understand is that pain is not always a thing to be avoided. We are so afraid of pain- hence the large sales of legal and illegal pain killers. Pain is really a door to wisdom. Without pain (physical and mental) we don’t grow we don’t learn. I learned this when giving birth. YES it was the most painful thing ever, but was it SUFFERING? NO! It made me strong for what is to be the biggest challenge of my life…raising my baby.
Ariel
September 22nd, 2003 at 8:01 am
Thanks everyone for your comments. Dave, to address your’s directly: my opposition to Seasonale isn’t totally based on it being unnatural. As you point out, Ibuprofin is unnatural, too. The difference for me is that I take Ibuprofin one day a month, and it’s not mood-altering. Hormones are powerful.
Also, re: fucking without consequence and trust. My statement is more complex than it first may sound. Keep in mind that I’m coming from the FAM side of the fence, where birth control is something that both partners have to contribute to. Also, the statement was in reference to the last time I was on the pill, which was 1996. I had a boyfriend who refused to split the cost of the Rx with me, claiming that my taking the pill was a “personal decision” that didn’t have anything to do with him. That relationship didn’t last wrong (for trust reasons, you’re right), and some of the vinegar in the statement is more a reflection of those two things (FAM + the inconsiderate nature of that one boyfriend) combined.
Again: thanks for all the feedback! Good discussion.
Oh and Paisley? I would email my mom (therese AT bainbridge DOT net) for some suggestions re: herbal ways to encourage menstrual regularity.
Brodie
September 22nd, 2003 at 8:06 am
scene: first day of school grade 5. mother to teacher (me)…. “he has ADD, not that other part though, the HD, so he just has a hard time paying attention. me:”well, he is 10 afterall, kinda comes with the territory…” mother:” well, he has meds at home, but he isnt on them now since its been summer, but let me know when we might need to put him back on” me:”sure, ill let you know “…. I WILL NEVER DO THAT. that is the last thing i would ever do. good lord. imagine the phone call “Hi its your childs teacher, yeah, he is being a total pain in the ass today, could you go ahead and drug him up before sending him in tomorrow? Thanks!” mercy! honestly, is this related to the article above? YES. out of 10 years and probably 90 kids on ritlin et. al. , i would say ONE SINGLE child needed it in my opinion, and his problems were really much larger than those meds could take care of…oh well.
helenjane
September 22nd, 2003 at 10:17 am
My blood pressure meds casually state on the side, “high risk of birth defects and miscarriage. DO NOT take if pregnant or planning to become pregnant”
Funny, my doctor told me, when recommending these meds, “Zestril has so many health benefits I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone started taking it in the future.”
Everyone except women of childbearing age who might one day choose to conceive, I’d gather.
Funny that with so many women in the health care profession, their voices go unheard by the pharmeceutical companies.
Well written!
Much needed!
kate
September 22nd, 2003 at 11:25 am
preach on, ariel! seasonale disturbs me too, as does the burden of birth control being on the female so often. (sorry, terribly constructed sentence.) it all feels a little bit like the pharmaceutical companies are trying to convince us our bodies are inconvenient and messy, so that we’ll take their meds. plus, there are a lot of women out there who already think their bodies are “dirty” in some way…we don’t need anyone else, least of all pharmaceutical companies, backing up that fallacy.
Ryan
September 22nd, 2003 at 2:58 pm
Thank Ariel for another informative post. I learned a lot, and found the article distasteful to say the least - the author had obviously written to a preconceived conclusion before even starting the article. I learned a little more. Thank you!
jason
September 22nd, 2003 at 3:52 pm
it’s funny… i picked up the stranger this weekend and saw that article and read the first line (as nature intended) and was like, “haha, that’s funny. go sarcasm” and didn’t read the article… then i read your post and realize that _that line was supposed to be taken seriously_. yikes! (i have yet to read the article, which i’ll do later today for sure, now)
anyway, good post and whatnot. the issue of controlling women’s bodies is definitely interesting. i’m not sure how big into theory-type stuff you are, but i’m read julia kristeva’s book on abjection (powers of horror) and she talks about menstration a lot and why the blood has become taboo and stuff like that.
also interesting, i think, is the history of birth control. i don’t have any sources that come to mind, but as i understand, it was created back in the 1970s in order to prevent/discourage/[fill in whatever devious word you want] non-white people from having kids.
so yah, birth control is a tricky business, i think. racist, sexist, etc. and yet it frequently is presented as liberating, etc.
faith
September 22nd, 2003 at 4:16 pm
Now one of the questions that comes into my mind is about the people they target who are desiring a reduction and elimination of period pains. What is going to happen when these women decide that maybe they do want a baby? When/if they get pregnant are they going to be able to rough it? Limiting drugs?! Or would they be more likely to swallow the pills and reassurances that there is only a chance thier baby will be affected? You cann’t look your seemingly normal child in the eye and say yeah you might have been smarter but damn that pregnant thing would have sucked.
The other thing is that the pushers of this way of solving the natural bleeding are underestimating some very strong women. My little sister has about the crappiest periods around. She cries and stays in bed when her totally irregualr period comes. She could take the pill to greatly lessen things but she doesn’t feel that is right for her. how horridly natural of her! I should also mention she has a higher threshhold for tolerating pain than I, her wimpy sister who only deals with mild cramps if any. I think there could be a connection somewhere there….
matthew
September 22nd, 2003 at 4:26 pm
I’m surprised you could even make it to the end of the article, Ariel. I stopped at this paragraph:
Note the outragously specious logic, here: woman used to be like X; now they are like Y; Because Y is “unnatural,’ it follows that anything that returns them to X — regardless of what it is (!) — must be “natural”. Would she also argue that (a) because people in 1900 were thin and (b) now they are “unnaturally” obese that (c) taking amphetamines is a “natural” solution? I’m guessing not.
dori
September 22nd, 2003 at 4:37 pm
i had a whole rant planned that just sort of disappeared into the ether (that and everyone else has sort of covered it). other than for a purely medical reason (my old roommate had endometriosis, the only thing that seemed to alleviate it was a way-low-dosage pill) i can’t see the purpose of this - it makes me angry that yet another natural thing that takes place in a woman’s body is deemed “unnatural”.
to keep it short, a suitable quote: Any time that technology subverts a benevolent natural process, the sensitive smell sulfer’ -Tom Robbins
Anna
September 22nd, 2003 at 4:38 pm
From the studies I’ve read, the suggested problem is more frequent ovulation in modern women, which makes those women more susceptible to certain cancers, like ovarian cancer. In my anthropology classes, I’ve learned that women today are ovulating more in the past, not just from fewer pregnancies but also from less lactation amenorrhea (which you may know, from your mom, is the lack of ovulation in women who are breast-feeding, which in some cultures can last for as long as three years).
I do believe that women are ovulating more now than in the past, but I’m not so sure that’s a horrible thing. The studies I’ve read concerned a selected number of women and weren’t very longitudinal, so I’m not totally convinced. This no kids = cancer thing concerns me a lot because I won’t be having children.
I stopped taking the Pill several years ago, but, in the last year, I developed an allergy to latex/spermicide. So, I went back on the Pill. I was disturbed by how flippant the doctors I went to were concerning the Pill: not only is it harmless but it’s practically good for you, like vitamins and vegetables! One doctor told me it’d be perfectly fine if I skipped my period for up to six months at a time. Now, THAT’s not normal.
StephDub
September 23rd, 2003 at 7:15 am
I am in nearly complete agreement with everything in your “rant”, but I did want to defend one small thing that Dr. Miller is quoted as having said.
I don’t think she meant that she treats people who loathe their vaginas with Seasonale, instead, I suspect she treats people who suffer from monthly recurrent bacterial and fungal infections because of the extreme moisture/pH imbalance often produced by the menstrual cycle. I’m only guessing here, but I THINK that’s what she meant about the genital area feeling better.
Yes, there are a million other drug and natural treatments for yeast and fungal infections–some work and some are just ridiculous (trust me) — I guess the choice is personal on this, you either suffer from infections monthly or you deal with them 3 or 4 times a year.
I’m not advocating the use of Seasonale to treat vaginal infections (I’m adding this one to my list of ridiculous treatments), but I do wish that pharmaceutical companies and medical researchers would put as much energy and advertising into finding a useful treatment for recurrent infections as they have in pushing Seasonale.
At any rate, thank you for sharing your views.
Chasmyn
September 23rd, 2003 at 7:45 am
Very well written and articulated, here here!
You don’t even need Ibuprofen - Vitamin B6 has ana amazing effect on cramps and bloating and is good for your body - try it sometime instead, it’s better for your liver
Susan Rako
September 23rd, 2003 at 12:14 pm
I’m the author of “No More Periods? The Risks of Menstrual Suppression.” Good Job, Ariel !! A couple of additional excellent articles .. one in Today’s (Sept.23) Detroit Free Press (by Susan Ager). Links can be found on my website: http://www.susanrako.com
Women need to know that the drug companies are jockying for shares in a 2.2 Billion Dollar per year market (according to the “information for investors” on a pharmaceutical company website.
Too many of the physicians quoted in support of menstrual suppression have unacknowledged ties to drug companies. Reporters often do not even think to ask.
I’d love feedback from readers of my book.
susanrako@aol.com
Jen Bennett
September 23rd, 2003 at 1:07 pm
Hey there,
I’m an environmental engineer in training with a specialty in bringing potable water to Jane and Joe Schmoe’s door. I currently work in California where recycled water for irrigation (among other things if possible) is a big issue. I have also taken classes in “risk analysis” where we did a focus on endocrine mimickers and their consequential seepage into our water supplies via wastewater. I’m also a big naturalist. I had a horrible experience with Depo-Provera and will never, ever, ever take any hormone-based form of contraception ever again.
Schooling to be an engineer has trained well in the art of finding patterns. My biggest and largest concern(s) regarding this issue has hardly been addressed in these cases is looking at the long-term effects of unnaturally-added (often not the same as the naturally-occuring version) hormones in the female body. Most doctors and health professionals know that the body does not absorb vitamins and minerals in pill form as well as the naturally-occuring form in good-ole-fashioned food. Therefore, I am extremely interested in: (1) knowing whether or not the ingested hormones are mimickers or the real deal (I’m guessing that the most likely aren’t as the pill in its current form uses a “bad” estrogen molecule called alpha estradiol 17); (2) what are the long-term effects, as in a lifetime, of taking this hormone as it relates to incidences of female-oriented cancers (ovarian, uteran, breast, etc. since estrogen controls these organs); and (3) modern science knows for a fact that one of the highest concentrations of unnaturally-occuring chemicals in human waste streams (that also manage to make it past treatment) are hormones and hormone mimickers (a.k.a. “endocrine disruptors”). And they are getting into the watersheds and ecology of things “downstream.” Granted not in large numbers, but it’s happening, and the small amount of research that has been done on the subject has found that “bad” estrogen from women who take the pill is showing up in wetlands ecology downstream of large urban centers and effecting the gender-specific cells of fish. Granted, humans aren’t fish, but it should be raising red flags as to finding out the effects on other biological bodies.
My concern is that hardly anyone is talking about what exactly these hormones do to the body. You know, the actual biological processes of how hormones regulate the body. The endocrine system is the most complicated, least-understood system in the human body. It uses an extraordinarily complex domino-effect process to regulate all kinds of things in the body. I’m concerned that nobody ever gets an explanation of this to be able to make an informed decision about hormones for herself and her body. As for me, I had the benefit of a science-based schooling in and around these areas, and I have decided that it is a terrible, terrible idea. This article presumes that women should be taking any kind of pill to begin with. A presumption that I think should be examined more readily.
Anyway, I apologize for any incohesive ranting… but feel free to ask questions if you have them…
MamaH
September 23rd, 2003 at 1:19 pm
Wow! Once again the pharmaceutical companies are helping to disempower women. I think they’re campaign should be called “The How to Dehumanize Millions of Women with Yet Another Drug/Hormone.”
Your blog puts into light something I have been trying to figure out for a little while now. Which is how did women get to be so afraid of they’re bodies? And more importantly, how can we empower them again? I feel this way largely because of the doula work I have done where women are so scared of doing anything other than “Doctor’s Orders” including narcotics, epidurals (not as safe as people think), inductions, and cesareans. Granted some of those things are necessary some of the time, but not nearly as often as the doctors would have us beleive. And who the hell decided that women are being “martyrs” if they don’t accept pain medication for child birth or take hormones to make their cycles come less often. Who originally decided that these things that our bodies do naturally are us somehow “suffering”. It must have been those damn Victorians who wouldn’t breastfeed their own children as it conflicted with their virginal appearances and was in general a gross bodily function that they would rather do without.
Anyway, it seems like the general message is and has been for a long time: Ladies, don’t trust yourselves, you are not bright enough to make decisions about your body on your own. Medicine knows better than you.
And right on Ariel for speaking your mind! I appreciate your strong voice, especially on this issue.
Ariel
September 23rd, 2003 at 3:53 pm
There’s a very relevant post over at watergirl.org from a young male doctor-in-training, but the site doesn’t have permalinks, so I can’t link directly to it. Click the link above, and then look for ” … ahhh, great subject! Where do I start???”
Here’s a selection from that post:
In addition, many [doctors] believe that the uterus and ovaries are just a waste bin for bad stuff after childbirth and many believe (me included) that voluntary removal of these organs is actually healthy!
*twitch froth foam*
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I don’t even know where to start!
Emily
September 23rd, 2003 at 6:34 pm
I’m reading “Woman: An Intimate Geography” by Natalie Angier and there’s a whole chapter written about the obsessive popularity in America with hysterectomies. Doctors are recommending them left and right as the cure-all for everything. Apparently, they are teaching them these things in med school after all.
Katie
September 24th, 2003 at 9:37 am
I think the largest lesson from feminism is that women have the power to disagree with each other without being mean or competitive.
Having said that, it seems i’m the lone dissentor on this issue so far. I appreciate all the emotion behind your post. I’ve felt this emotion for many many other issues as being a woman… especially around medical issues!!
I love my body– it’s capabilities and appearance– but i also love the pill. I don’t think these two things are necessarily counterindicated. I don’t feel like i’m pumping myself full of hormones… the pills these days are so incredibly low dosage that i haven’t felt a side effect for years. People from all cultures have been taking substances to change their mood, decrease pain, prevent pregnancy, end pregnancies, etc. May i gently remind you that you said you can’t stand the pain of cramps without ibuprofen? While the pill is obviously a different type of drug, for me, the sentiment is pretty much the same.
The pill has given me the freedom and comfort that make me a happier person. No, i do not work for a birth control pill company
this is just my honest opinion (and well researched too). i wanted it to be included so that you/readers were aware that those who use the pill and welcome seasonale aren’t just sheep that have sold out to our country’s patriarchal and money-centered medical system.
Ariel
September 24th, 2003 at 9:43 am
Thanks for the post, Katie. I certainly don’t think you’ve sold out to the patriarchy for being on the pill. My ranting here is directed at Seasonale, not standard cycle pills which, while something I would use now, is something I’ve used in the past.
You’re on the standard 21 cycle pill. How do you feel about Seasonale? Would you use it?
My line seems to be that I’m fine drugging myself one day a month with Ibuprofin. But 21 days a month pushes a line for me, and 30 days a month is definitely way over the line. I’m curious to hear your thoughts on Seasonale, specifically, though.
Katie
September 24th, 2003 at 8:32 pm
So, i am indeed on the regular cycle pill. sometimes i use it continually, without taking the placebos. (ie, for going camping, or the prospect of a quality hook-up)
a period while on the pill is not a ‘real’ period, but breakthrough bleeding until the pill is taken again. in fact, the only reason that doctors included the placebos when it first came out was b/c they thought women would freak out if they didn’t bleed. i don’t see seasonale as any different than the 21 day cycle pills– just extended so there’s no breakthru bleeding.
so, for those reasons, i see no problem with seasonale. yes, it’s artificial, and alters body chemistry, but so do so many things in our environment.
Jen Bennett
September 25th, 2003 at 1:52 pm
With regards to altering body chemistry, I wrote this rant on a different bulletin board re: this topic as to how it relates to recycled water.
One of the issues that has come up here in California in trying to address the serious lack of potable water resources to “feed” (or would the correct term be “drink”) southern California. All those rich people down there living in a damn desert with NO sources of water anywhere nearby and sucking all of the water from northern Cali and the Colorado River such that it doesn’t even flow into the Gulf of California anymore, want golf courses. They want green parks. They want landscaping to make their Beverly Hills mansion look nice, too. They want polo fields even. So, on top of destroying one of the wests major river ecological systems, they need irrigation water for their lawn.
Legislatures, water providers, concerned citizens, and engineers started looking into using recycled water to irrigate these golf courses and polo fields. Not for drinking! And I’ll tell you why in a minute.
Recycled water is treated waste water. Essentially, it is re-”purified”. But, guess what? There’s a whole bunch of residual “emerging contaminants” being found in the recycled water (which would be disposed in your nearest waterway if it was simply sent to the wastewater treatment plant, treated, then disposed). They have been split into two categories: endocrine disrupters and pharmaceuticals/personal care products.
Pesticides, herbicides and insecticides fall under the endocrine disruptor category. Hormones in the endocrine system are responsible for regulating every single biomechanism in your body. From your metabolism to your reproductive system. They can inhibit your DNA from producing a certain digestive enzyme. An estrogen hormone is responsible for regulating the female reproductive system. Large amounts of this “bad” estrogen (forgot which one, I think it’s estradiol-17) that have been found in some bodies of water containing a certain species of fish has caused its genders to start taking on characteristics of the other gender. This estrogen is being found in the testicular cells of the fish.
Basically, endocrine replicators are a problem, as well as pharmaceuticals because they are extremely water soluble (they’re meant to be so they can easily enter the human bloodstream), potent in small quantities (good for the companies making them) — so small it’s the detection limit for most of them — and are supposed to cause effects in low-dose, chronic use.
This is the type of exposure that most humans are exposed to these compounds.
There is an average of 86,000 compounds in a given wastewater stream.
In some more land-locked areas, wastewater streams are slowly infiltrating aquifers through unintentional recharge. These compounds are already being found in watersheds that people use as a water resource.
I’ve been to a couple conferences on this topic. John’s logic is that since there has been a huge increase in the amount of chemicals humans are exposed to and there is an increased life expectancy, there must be more cures. This is not true. It is because the effects of these chemicals will not be seen for a couple of generations. The effects will more likely be seen in our grandchildren and they have low sperm counts or women begin dying younger of breast/uteran/ovarian cancer.
One of the main hot topics of the recycled water debate has led scientists (reseraching the topic) to throw up their hands and declare the only solution is SOURCE CONTROL. That means getting bans on the production of these chemicals or not soliciting them. You don’t have to solicit them by not buying products that use them like conventional produce.
There, my 32 cents.
For more sensationalized info on endocrine disruptors, there’s a really good book called “Our Stolen Future”, by Theo Colburn et al. You can pick it up via Amazon.com…
Jen Bennett
September 25th, 2003 at 1:54 pm
ARGGHH! Somebody help… I’m a fool. I meant to edit it via looking at it through “preview” and clicked on “post”. I’m sorry. I guess, can I ask friendly hostess to delete my comment?? Thanks, Jen B.
Jen Bennett
September 25th, 2003 at 2:06 pm
OK, hi again.
I guess my third-to-last post was somewhat relevant. Just switch around some words like “organic food” for estrogen-containing pills.
I came back one last time to leave this as an FYI for women interested in learning more about the importance of hormones and how pervasively they affect one’s body and functions:
http://e.hormone.tulane.edu/
Thanks!
Sally
December 22nd, 2003 at 10:55 pm
Guess I’m getting into this rant kind of late.
I just went on Seasonale. I choose this because I had too many problems with depression and migraines on the regular pill (whenever I would change hormone levels or go onto the sugar pills I would get migraines, have killer mood swings, make decisions I regretted later, etc.)
I spent the last 8 months off the pill entirely, but since I’m sexually active I needed to get back on a reliable method of birth control. Really the only non-hormone based birth control that had a high enough effectiveness level for me was an IUD. Unfortunately most doctors agree women who have never been pregnant should not use the IUD.
So beyond using condoms (which are not effective enough at preventing pregnancy for my liking and which ruin sex for both my boyfriend and me), there were no other options. It’s very frustrating that there really are so few effective non-hormonal methods of BC. Until more come out, Seasonale is the best hope I have at not being a) crazy b) headachy and c) single forever because I can’t hold decent relationships while mood swinging like crazy. (btw, I definitely prefer menstrual suppression to antidepressants which made me feel completely out of it.)
Anyhow, just my thoughts, but remember that for some women this might be a godsend for serious health and wellbeing reasons, not just for matters of convenience.
Ariel
December 22nd, 2003 at 11:15 pm
Sally, there’s absolutely another method for you! It’s the one I’ve been using for the last six years: Fertility Awareness Method. When used correctly, it’s even more effective than the pill. It’s a technique that takes a fair amount of learning and commitment on both partners’ behaves, but I recommend everyone in a monogamous relationship at least look into it.
PS: No need to spam block your email addy, Sally: MT automatically encodes it….and when you leave a fake address, I can’t respond to you via email!
Sally
December 23rd, 2003 at 11:58 am
Ariel-Thanks for the info. I looked at the link you provided, but it just doesn’t appeal to me at this point in my life.
After years of being on the pill and being able to enjoy completely spontaneous sex whenever, without having to stop to insert or put anything on, I’m spoiled.
It probably sounds silly, but that’s the main reason I couldn’t wait to get back on the pill and stop using condoms…the last 8 months of not being able to act on the mood whenever I/we wanted really put a cramp in our sex life. The IUD would have been ideal because it’s non-hormonal and doesn’t interfere with the spontanity of sex, but since I haven’t had kids yet, I couldn’t use it without having to worry about future fertility/puncturing my uterus because it hasn’t been streched by a pregnancy. (There’s a higher risk of infection from insertion and IUD migration if you’ve never been pregnant).
Again, thanks for the advice. I guess my main point to the message board was not to jump to conclusions about people who choose Seasonale…while some may do it purely for convenience, many will do it to overcome health problems like endometriosis, severe cramping, migraines, depression, etc. I was just a bit perturbed by people suggesting that a girl/woman should suffer through some of these health problems, even if it was to the detriment of their education, career or life. Saying “it’s just once a month” isn’t looking at the big picture: “once a month” is generally 7 out of every 28 days or 25% of your life.
If there are health risks to doing taking Seasonale, certainly women should be making informed decisions. But there are also health risks to not treating some of these conditions (for instance, a tendency to severe mood swings & depression can increase your risk of heart attack)
Anyhow, I think the important thing is that giving women more options is a good thing. We need to realize decisions we make are not going to be right or practical for all other women and support each other’s choices.
Again, thanks for your response. Maybe if I can’t tolerate the Seasonale for some reason I will look into FAM.
Kasie
August 28th, 2004 at 7:00 pm
I’d just like to say, yes I was on Seasonale. For my doctors experimental purposes. I knew clearly the side effects and everything that was expected from it include over active hormones and breakthrough bleeding. I agreed to go through with the “experiment”. She put six of us on Seasonale and by the end of the second cycle all six of us requested a change. Breakthrough bleeding is a light word to be used in this instance. I myself bled almost 80% of the 6 month period I was on the pill. Depression and moodiness were also very bad on all of us. I have never considered myself a depressed person, but on this pill I seemed to find every reason in my life I should be depressed. Thank God for a good boyfriend who hasn’t left me yet due to the complete bitch trip I’ve been on over the past six months, but as a consumer of Seasonale I wouldn’t advise anyone to take this particular pill. So, like everyone else said, the idea of only having a period 4 times a year is great, but the reality turns out to be that each period continues for numerous weeks completely destroying the idea.
Amanda
October 26th, 2004 at 6:08 pm
Maybe I am a little late on the draw here, but I wanted to clear up some myths about the IUD and some other stuff.
I couldn’t be on the pill because no matter what pill I tried, I had terrible side-effects. But, I think for anyone who is on the pill, Seasonale is not really any less-safe (as someone else stated, a pill-period is actually not the same as a true period. If it’s not a real period anyway, why feel compelled to have it??). In fact, doctors have been doing it for years with any monophasic pill. HOWEVER, this assumes that the pill is entirely safe, which is up to the individual to decide. It certainly can’t be argued to be natural, and it certainly causes problems in some women (libido problems are more widely seen in women than I think the pill companies are willing to admit. Our patriarchal society doesn’t seem to look into it too much either).
I am also allergic to spermicide, so after my pill debacle, I really only had two options: fertility awareness, and the Copper IUD. Fertility awareness didn’t have the flexibility I wanted, and I wanted something a little more foolproof. I’ve never had children, and yes, I definitely found websites that say you ABSOLUTELY shouldn’t have an IUD if you ever want children. This is a myth that is being debunked, but there are many “old school” practioners out there who just shudder because of the Dalkon Shield problem in the 70s. The Dalkon Shield was an anomaly, it was unlike any other IUD that had ever been put on the market and it caused a lot of SERIOUS problems. The IUDs currently on the market are Mirena and Paragard. Mirena has progestin, so it’s similar to Depo or Norplant. Paragard is just copper, an IUD type that has been considered safe for decades.
One of the things about IUDs is that the companies that make them don’t recommend women without children to get one because they are afraid they will get sued if the woman later can’t conceive. The thing is, some women just can’t conceive anyway, and it’s these women that the companies are afraid of, because ever since the fertility issues associated with the Dalkon Shield, people’s minds link IUDs with fertility problems, even though that’s not accurate. IUD’s, in actuality (as more recent studies, and re-analysis of old studies, have shown) have no higher risk of infertility than any other method, provided you don’t go untreated for PID. You can get pelvic inflammatory disease faster from STD’s if you have an IUD (but either way PID untreated will make it difficult to conceive). When the data was analyzed, from both old studies and new, it was shown that there was no correlation between IUD users and infertility, but rather a correlation amongst chlamydia/PID history and infertility! So basically, that’s the chief risk with an IUD. You need to make sure you’re monogamous, or use condoms, and get tested for chlamydia yearly because you could be asymptomatic. And you just have to pay attention for PID symptoms, because treated early, it’s not an issue. From what I’ve heard, PID is a pretty painful disease, so I would think it would be hard to miss, especially if you knew what to look for!
I got my IUD 6 months ago and I love it. It was less than pleasant on insertion, and has made my periods heavier and crampier, but I LOVE not having hormones in my system. And I love the spontaneity. I wouldn’t trade it for anything, and will have one always (except when I want to make babies, or when I get my partner to have a vasectomy!)
If you want an IUD, talk to your practitioner about it. They are hesitant to put it in without counseling just because it’s not cheap (not like the $20 you will have spent on a pack of pills you end up tossing out!), but they’re good for 10-12 years, so they are cheap in the long run.
Anyway, just wanted to throw in my $2.
Kathleen
May 21st, 2005 at 11:47 pm
While I agree that pumping people full of drugs to solve “problems” is completely misguided, I disagree with your take on Seasonale. I first had my period at 13, with cramps appearing at 14. By the time I was 15, my cramps had turned into 3 day long ordeals of throwing up and passing out from pain. During one episode I passed out while on the way upstairs, cracking my head on the corner of a wall and giving me a large goosegg for about two weeks. I had a gynecologist exam at two different doctors, with both of them telling me that my reproductive system was healthy and “normal”. Both suggested going on the Pill to help alleviate the pain. I began on the “normal” Pill for about one year. For the first few months, my cramps completely disappeared. I was elated! Finally, something taking me off of the couch with a heating pad for 3 days out of the month. After about 4 or 5 months on the Pill, my cramps began to get worse and worse with each successive period, eventually back to the same level of pain as my pre-Pill days. When I first heard about Seasonale, I did my research. I found that women using Seasonale, although exposed to more days of horomones than those on the regular Pill, actually recieve a smaller amount of the horomones overall, as the dose in each pill is less. I have now been on Seasonale for nearly a year, and while my cramps are still here, I only have to experience them 4 times a year. You cannot imagine how wonderful this is for me. I am no less a woman than a woman who is not on the Pill. Seasonale gives me freedom from pain. I used to work for (and be a patient of until insurance changed) a OB/GYN who practiced home births and preferred more “natural” methods. I could not agree more, except when the natural methods (i.e. not taking the Pill) cause me unreasonable pain and leaves me at more of a risk for diseases such as endometriosis.
Monica
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pm
I’m rather on two sides of this discussion. I’m not an advocate of putting any more chemicals/hormones in my body than absolutely necessary - and strangely enough, I’m a pharmacy student - but I’m also taking Seasonale. I’ve tried multiple methods of naturally dealing with cramping. I’d be in so much pain that my face and extremities would go numb from it, I wouldn’t be able to breathe , and I couldn’t even stand up because of the pain. Flaxseed, vitamins, 5 days a week: two hours a day cardio workouts. But when it’s at the point where I have to miss classes, can’t concentrate on exams, and am incapable of leaving my bed, I honestly don’t care what goes in, as long as I don’t immediately die. So far, Seasonale is working just lovely. I just hope I don’t get blood clots, or cancer later on. But hopefully, whenever I get off bc - which should be in a few years - my debilitating pain won’t be so debilitating.
Riona
April 28th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Until my midthirties I would wake up moaning one week a month with period pain, and had PMS that I think literally made me insane. I know it cost me at least one good relationship. I don’t take Seasonale - I just take my regular pill without a break for the little sugar pills. My only regret? I wish I had started doing this years ago. What a shame to have spent all those days and nights rocking in the fetal position with pain and misery that I could have avoided.